Sales Information for Lakewood Cove
Lakewood Cove is the name for the 70 new townhomes being built between Tivoli Court and Lake Worth Rd at the Lake Worth gate.
According to the builder (Lennar), they will be selling in the $400’s.
Link to the Lennar brochure with pictures and floor plans:https://online.flippingbook.com/view/510441362/
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Some pictures of the construction as of Nov 2022
The following comment relates to my July 31 comment about a guest essay that should be read by everyone living in Florida.
After the collapse of Champlain Towers, how many Fountains residents have had a look around the buildings that they live in?
How many Fountains residents report suspicious looking building problems to the current FCO?
Does the current FCO maintenance department have anyone qualified to assess building cracks resulting from the on going construction?
Does the current FCO conduct periodic walkthrough inspections of the aging buildings on all of the Fountains Courts providing reports, warnings , and solutions?
All this wondering keeps me up at night thinking not only about the 98 people that lost their lives at the collapse of Champlain Towers but all the other residents that managed to escape in just their pajamas with no home, no possessions, and now dealing with insurance companies that are invoking any excuse to not pay claims.
All of the money that was saved by deferring maintenance is unfortunately a hard lesson for other condo communities and the boards that govern them.
Howard
Did you report this to our maint. dept?
Holy Molly! I am shocked people have no clue and are not asking questions? Our President Ben Geller ? He wants us to be a United community ? NOT POSSIBLE he has no clue? Look at what is happening here. Without a doubt his responsibilities & FCO management company should be reporting back to the community? issues that effect each and every one of us.. Isn’t it interesting that the president of the FCO does not give the residents Monthly reports of what is going on in this community . Seriously?
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Susan,
Unless I’m wrong, the FCO works for the residents of the Fountains and the various Presidents represent we the residents. Why then can’t we get a Presidential committee together, with the approval of all of the Presidents, and DEMAND that we get what you are asking for? Solve the problems from within; running away is not the answer.
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David,
You are not wrong. The FCO does work for all 1767 residents in this community. Each door of all 1767 residents pays an equal share towards expenses. It doesn’t matter whether it’s a one-bedroom apartment or a 4-bedroom 2 car garage home. There are 19 presidents that represent the 19 courts. The responsibility of those presidents and the boards is to see that they do their fiduciary duties in the best interest of their residents. That includes looking into contracts, voting on issues that benefit the people in their individual courts.
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In the past votes have occurred here that were not in resident’s best interest nor was information shared with them. An example would be the Lake Worth gate which was gifted to the Fountains Country Club. Remember we are nonprofit, and the Country Club is for profit. I’m not saying the residents don’t benefit from the guard gate improvements.
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What I object to, and most residents do is the expense of $450000 plus dollars spent on something we don’t own. We could have spent a fraction of that amount for improvements and maintenance. The guard gate was moved in 4 car lengths to benefit the Country Club not the residents. Residents also footed the bill for the new signage for all 19 courts as well as signage again gifted to the Fountains Country Club. Directional signs to the club, stop signs for their golf paths and so on.
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Court presidents that are looking into a new management company are doing their fiduciary duties. As I said earlier in my post, every resident pays equally per door. A list sent out in 2018 listing services that would be lost should we choose a management company other than the FCO. None of that is true we will continue to get all those services and then some. What that list does not show is what the FCO charges per door.
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1. All secretarial and accounting services Including payroll, benefits, insurance, and rents paid to Concert Golf monthly.
2. Security, all costs including rent paid to Concert Golf monthly.
3. Maintenance Department, including rent paid to Concert Golf, payroll, insurance, benefits. All the costs residents pay monthly to have an onsite maintenance department. (Those costs are separate from costs Courts pay for actual usage of those services)
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Management companies have given a per door monthly cost for all the services they provide. Why are we not expecting the FCO management company to provide us with a per door cost for all the services we pay for monthly? I suspect that number might look quite large. I’m not sure but to be fair we should give them an opportunity so we can compare apples to apples. It would be very simple for the office, our management company the FCO to provide those numbers. It should be a few clicks of a mouse.
Does anybody here have a clue what is going on with Concert moving mountains of dirt throughout the community?
It seems they removed mountains of dirt from behind Trevi & moved the dirt across the street behind Tivoli. Dirt is now being returned and dumped behind Trevi. What appears to be happening now is, they are trucking dirt around from behind Escedra, D’este, Gefion and the Townhouses. Why is this soil being moved constantly throughout the community?
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Another concern residents have is the damage being done to Fountains drive North from the trucks moving loads of dirt creating filth & potholes. Will Concert be repaving, cleaning and repairing the road damage? Or will the residents foot the bill for that repair on the road that Concert owns?
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Residents also have questions as to possible toxins In the soil. There is talk in the community that a new toxin has been discovered additional to arsenic. That could be a rumor but it certainly would put peoples minds at ease if they could get an update.
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Does the FCO Executive committee have any information to share with the community? Executive committee meets in private and has open communication & negotiations with Concert.
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It sure would be nice if residents could get an update from the President of the FCO in the form of a news letter.
Susan
Why would you or anyone else expect anything from the current FCO?
Isn’t this the same FCO that failed to provide any cognizant information
or logical arguments to residents as to why some of the Fountains courts
should not look for an alternative maintenance company to provide badly
needed services that the current FCO maintenance does not provide such
as court building inspections, periodic condensate drain cleanings,
advice on the removal, and replacement of very old laundry room hot
water heaters, and roof inspections, etc.
Isn’t this the same FCO that refused to attend any court monthly
meetings where the voting was to take place to leave the FCO and provide
any information as to why the north courts should continue with the
current FCO?
At the end of this comment is a photo of a front loader moving dirt around behind Tivoli
Court. Yesterday afternoon, one of these machines severed a Hotwire
Fiber Optic Cable leaving many residents without television, Internet,
and telephone service for many hours. I find it hard to understand why
all of the utility services were not properly marked? Perhaps they were
and the markings were ignored?
In any case the current FCO could care less about any problems or
disruptions of any services by residents living in the north courts.
Nothing has changed!
Previous FCO board members living in the south had the same attitude in
respect to the north court residents.
The Lake Worth Road wall after the hurricanes in 2005, the refusal to
provide plantings along that wall, the Lake Worth Road Gate House which
was paid for by a majority of north court residents that is now owned by
concert golf.
It is very hard to forget this perfunctory treatment by the FCO.
Howard
Howard,
I am surprised that you blame the FCO for something of which it is not involved or that it has any control over. You know better than that. Your blame should be directed at Concert and any other person, group or agency that is involved or that has some level of control.
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The FCO has never been involved other than to try to get the appropriate government entities to protect the community to the extent they could or would. The FCO was successful in that regard. Did it get much? No, but the fact that it got any concessions is amazing because it had no real standing or authority over the sale and development of property previously owned by the Fountains Country Club (FCC) and that the FCC sold to Concert.
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You may as well point the finger at yourself, your neighbors, the Tivoli Court Board of Directors, etc., who had as much of a role as the FCO. I do not want you to blame yourself, your neighbors, or the Tivoli Board of Directors because, like the FCO, they had no standing or authority over the sale or development of the property.
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Regardless of your feelings about the FCO, you owe it to yourself to be accurate in your comments.
Bill:
Please reread and review my post on August 6 posted at 5:07 PM
Isn’t it the responsibility of the current FCO to walk the courts, inspect the buildings for cracks, and notice improperly marked utility lines?
It seems to me that Concert is only interested in one thing.
Making as much money as they can.
Howard,
Please note that my comment was in reply to your August 18 reply to Susan and has nothing to do with your August 6 posting.
Repetition of criticisms does not make the criticisms accurate no matter how often they are stated.
You are SO wrong that the FCO cares what happens to the residents, who have trusted them for 40 years. There was a new finding of high levels of arsenic in the dirt piles. And now this dirt is being moved all around the north courts area.
At the recent FCO meeting Ben said there is nothing that the FCO can do about this.
EXCUSE ME BUT ISNT THAT THE JOB OF THE FCO, TO PROTECT ITS RESIDENTS?? And how about the dirt being piled so high behind Trevi that any rain causes flooding to them, patios, parking lots etc.
We were told that the lake behind Gefion was going to be 3 times larger, but they are slowly making it smaller and smaller??
THE WORST THING IS THE DESTRUCTION BEING DONE TO US NORTH COURTS. We didn’t choose to live in slumville, but that’s what we get.
Toxin in the dirt. You have to contact the PBC environmental dept and they should be able to give you an accurate soil report ..they should have all updated records to share with you.
I just moved to Tivoli Ct. in May and am trying to get info on the construction going on between my court and Deste Ct. The previous owner told me that the lake would be modified and improved providing a nice view for both courts. Another person told me the unsightly chain link fence would stay after the construction was completed, obstructing any view for the residents. How do I get accurate information about this issue? And approximately when will this construction be completed? At this point, from reading the info on this blog, I am disappointed and am regretting my decision to buy a home in the Fountains.
It is interesting to read the comments about the FCO maintenance department and service. On one hand you have David who is responsible for or handles maintenance for an entire court speaking highly of the service provided by the FCO. On the other you have a few people with anecdotal evidence of poor maintenance by the FCO. Who is right, or at least best representative of the FCO’s performance related to maintenance?
I tend to side with David because he has a much larger body of work by the FCO on which to base his opinion. Others almost exclusively provide comments that are negative and ignore the vast majority of work performed by the FCO maintenance staff. If FCO maintenance is so bad, why are we not reading complaints from the Court’s maintenance coordinators?
It reminds me of people that have a bad experience with FedEx or UPS. If I only paid attention to the people with a bad experience I would not realize how superb both those companies are in getting packages to the right people, on time most of the time.
It reminds me that people that focus solely on the negative are often disappointed when a change is made and all the negatives they thought would disappear continue to exist or are replaced by new problems.
Bill,
Are you truly a dumb-ass idiot fool? Can’t you see the writing on the wall? David wants to immerse himself & be involved with a ridiculous maintenance company to make him feel like hes a BIG MAN? The FCO maintenance department sucks! It is sad that an old guy has to LEAN on a failed business to make him feel like a BIG MAN on a downhillI spiral? Taking advantage of working class people Trusting their leadership? Trusting they are making the best decisions for their community? Little do they know leadership & board members are all SELF SERVING ? God speed! and strength to Courts divorcing the FCO, insisting on truth. Best wishes and success to those choosing to stay behind. 💖
Susan,
I refrained from commenting about your personal attack in your previous comment, but after this latest personal attack on both David and me I have decided to reply in-kind.
ARE YOU MENTALLY DISTURBED or is something else going on with you that makes you act the fool? Get help, whatever that might be.
Don’t get into a battle of wits with an unarmed person!
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Hello and greetings to all. Glad to see that the Blog is still available for discourse. I have not been on it for a long time. This may not be the forum and if it is not I will surely be told but my younger brother by 4 years is looking to rent a 2 or 3 bedroom unit from Dec 1 to March 31st. If you know of anything please let me know with contact information. Thanks. Looking forward to spending the winter with you all. He is not as good looking as me and he does not golf and despite being a Talsky he is a nice person. Hope the Fountains can handle two
Talskys. Thanks again
Marvin and Shirley:
Welcome back to the blog
I left you a voice message on your home number regarding our two bedroom convertible condo.
Thank you
Howard
Thanks Howard will check when I get home today. Keep safe.
Howard what number did you call. Florida telephone is on seasonal close, no message on Toronto line, best to e-mail me marvin@talskylaw.com with number and I will call, Thanks
2022 is feeling like it may be another challenging year. There are a lot of unknowns as ALL residents of the Fountains of Palm Beach are about to enter uncharted waters.
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After months of researching, studying financials, contracts, meeting with attorneys, and management companies several courts have voted to leave the FCO. This was not a decision made lightly. This was a decision made by the boards doing due diligence, information being transparent and made for the best interest of the residents.
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Courts that have either voted to stay / leave the FCO, or didn’t bother doing due diligence are ALL facing the unknown. With the construction and destruction of our community, the retirement of Debbie Poulette, a yet unproven replacement having been hired, and the promise to upgrade computer systems, adding to the maintenance department the responsibility of doing monthly checks to all buildings. All for an additional cost of $6.60 per month? Losing more than quarter of FCO income and cutting the maintenance staff by possibly 2 workers. How is that possible? That needs to be guaranteed and in writing prior to signing a contract. Sometimes what is too good to be true isn’t true!
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Another thought that MUST be considered and added to the contract 790 remaining residents in the northern courts with 6 presidents. 509 POA residents with 10 presidents. Has anybody considered how that voting power can possibly be in the best interest of all residents remaining with the FCO.
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1. FCO proposed a 3-year non-cancellable commitment with no out clause – you are stuck for 3 years, regardless of budget changes which more than likely will be greater than you think.
2. Proposed budget is not guaranteed and FCO likely will end up charging the courts more for maintenance costs, and insurance costs which are not included into the proposed budget as they are charged to each court individually under their own budgets.
3. In the new proposed budget, the FCO has already moved 20% staff from Admin to Gate and Maintenance, to have leaving Courts share more common area costs. What else will they “fix”?
4. FCO does everything “by hand”, with a promise to move to technology-both hardware and software, plus training costs. Only allocated $15K for total. There are likely more costs in just hardware alone, plus software licensing fees (very expensive) for an admin staff of at least 5 people ($250K budget). These costs will likely be much, higher. $15K is totally unrealistic.
5. Why would your court want to pay at least $6 more (and realistically much more) per unit per month, instead of saving $26 or more per unit per month? It adds up to many thousands of dollars for large courts that could be used for repairs and to offset the insurance cost increase. In addition, GRS management brings in much more services, including 24/7 support line.
As I stated earlier, we are ALL about to enter uncharted waters. I can do nothing more than wish ALL Courts choosing to leave the FCO or stay all the best. Courts choosing to leave have contributed to all shared expense’s for over 40 years. I can only hope that the remaining Court Presidents can respect the decisions of the Courts choosing a management company. My wish for 2022 is each president and board member has reviewed, studied & explored all pros and cons. I hope you feel confident that you have made the BEST decision in the interest of your residents. It would be professional and business like to part ways with a handshake and smile. BEST WISHES for SUCCESS for the future for ALL Fountains Of Palm Beach residents.
On gathering further information may it be rumor or speculation? Not sure? I think investigation and clarification needs to occur before any contracts are agreed to, voted on, or signed by any board representing any Court in this community, or any other community. There are specific laws, rules, regulations that govern just how far and how much power a community can have over those that choose not to use their voice or lack the knowledge to protect themselves.
Things to consider as I see it, I’m just a resident paying dues, much of it goes towards expenses and reserves for the FCO. As I read the financials it appears that the FCO has well over one million dollars in reserves while individual courts are stuck charging assessments for necessities.
Maybe I am stupid and blind? I would hope that every single board member, volunteers with their eyes wide open. Board members and presidents are tasked with making educated, well informed decisions. Decisions should be made and voted on for the total benefit of their community and not in any way for personal agendas, whether it be power or financial.
Some considerations that ALL boards need to address, as I see is what is the footprint of our community going to look like in two years? What will happen to the Country Club on fountain’s drive North? Will that be torn down and condos built? What will happen with Fountain’s Hall? the FCO office building? Craft Hall? Maintenance Barn, Lake Worth Guard Gate? will that be torn down and sold? I guarantee it will be sold to the highest bidder. We have all paid for these buildings’ for over 40 years. Maintenance, insurance, upkeep, improvements, and rebuilding.
Concert now owns all this property. It had always been voted that the community should help the Fountain’s Country Club survive. Residents unknowingly paid substantial amounts of money to help keep them in business. After building the Lake Worth guard gate the Fountain’s Country Club sold this community out when they sold to Concert. For those of you that may not know we NOW PAY RENT to Concert for a guard gate GIFTED to the Fountain’s Country Club which cost residents $450,000 plus. That’s how your leaders have looked out for you? Many of the FCO board of directors still wear the Country Club hat.
The governing powers, FCO board of directors and certain long-term employees, (40 plus years) allowed residents here to be sued at great financial expense. The fountain’s Country Club chose to sue individual residents with the FCO’s assistance, providing them information on contracts and sales. What the FCO was doing was illegal. The FCO ceased assisting them when it was discovered by the attorney representing residents in the mandatory membership lawsuit. That lawsuit against the FCC was successful.
The FCO did not come to the defense of the residents that were sued in the community. The legal fees covered at the expense of residents of 6 courts. 13 courts let the RESIDENTS FEND FOR THEMSELVES. I applaud the 6 presidents that did vote to do the right thing and fund the legal fees.
Once the lawsuit was successful and won in favor the 6 courts who funded the lawsuit this entire community benefited with increased property values.
Costs that WERE INCURED by the ENTIRE community were results of arbitration awarded because of insufficient bookkeeping. Some courts paid the Piper and paid the Piper again. This is the leadership that needs some serious investigation.
Unfortunately, this situation has been able to thrive because of lack of participation, education, investigation and most importantly integrity.
Does anyone know what courts have opted to sign with another property management company? Just curious. I know Luxemburg has opted to remain in the FCO.
I just heard that Tivoli, D’esti, and Gefion courts are leaving the FCO. I also heard that their departure will only raise my HOA by about $5 or $6 a month. So much for the “large amount” the homeowners will see their HOAs increased. I guess that means Esedra and Trevi courts are staying.
I wish the departing courts well, but I will be happy that this should minimize the negativity among the FCO community.
Bill,
I feel compelled to respond even though I prefer not to. I reread previous posts that bloggers have posted seeking information, truth, honesty, and transparency. All of those characteristics seem to be impossible for residents to expect from our current management. The FCO is supposed to be protecting RESIDENTS, are they doing that? You are a 100% off base when you think and state as fact that your HOA fees are going up $5 possibly $6 a month. You are certainly clueless and uninformed because the number the FCO is throwing around is $6.60 per month. Are you THAT clueless that you believe blindly the number is 5 to $6? That number is ridiculous. Have your leaders informed your community of the increases in insurance? I’m sorry but I consider you a dumb-ass. 🤪 (that’s just me,) You need to educate yourself & look at the financials. You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to realize how badly this so called UNITED COMMUNITY has been taken advantage of for over for over 40 years. Time will tell? Hope those of you that are are choosing to stay & fund the FCO are gonna be OK?
Susan,
Thank you for replying to my previous comment. I won’t respond in-kind to your personal attack because your response demonstrates your qualities without the requirement that I do so. Sometimes self-inflicted wounds are the worst.
As to the content of your reply, I stand by my earlier post (even though I was $.60 off). Although under the light of your response I could have stated my comment more clearly. The comment was intended to reflect the amount of increase needed to cover the lost revenue from the three courts that are leaving. Obviously, the cost of insurance has nothing to do with the departing courts. Also, in this dumb-a__es opinion it is highly likely that any increase in the costs of insurance to courts remaining with the FCO will be in proportion to increases the departing courts will incur.
My comment was predicated on earlier comments. For example, Lowell Levine stated that the remaining courts would have to fund $140,000 savings from Tivoli Court alone. Lowell also stated that Tivoli Court will save about $90,000 by using another property management company. Let me know how that works for Tivoli Court when/if you know. Keep in mind that the $140,000 savings for Tivoli did not include the savings for D’Este and Gefion.
Those of us remaining with the FCO will be fine. We, after all, manage ourselves and will have a say about the community. I do not know whether the same can be said for the departing courts. However, I do wish them well because I prefer that no homeowner be harmed for exercising a choice.
Bill, I respect your opinion and you’re rights to voice it. What I find objectionable is mis information & lack of transparency being spread & accepted.
I too wish every court in this community well on whatever choices they make and direction they choose to go.
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Yesterday October 1st there was a board meeting to to discuss the projected budget for 2022. That meeting was not properly noticed according to Florida state law, statue 718.112(2)(e) . Every home homeowner in this community had a right to attend that meeting.
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Whatever you may think about my mental health is no concern to me. What does concern me is is the lack of knowledge people have about state laws and statutes. State laws and statutes are made to PROTECT people.
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It is my opinion and belief that so much deception has gone on here for over 40 years. Residents have come to rely on the directors of their individual courts to protect them and vote in their best interest, financially and beneficial to the community.
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Whether I’m right? Or wrong? What I have read, learned, studied & observed, there seems to be a lot going on here. Deception and omission has become the norm of the FCO. If you are a business person and you are losing money it is time to clean house.
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Courts that are choosing a different path, I wish them well. I wish well the Courts that wish to stay with the FCO. My advice, take it or leave it would be read the financials, study them, go back and and look. What have you spent and what you have gained?
Is the number quoted by the FCO, a $6.60 monthly increase per unit, Real? Believable? Defensible?
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Let’s do the math.
FACT: $6.60 a month * 12 months = about $80 a year
FACT: The 2020 FCO budget is $3,423,179 a year (call it $3.4 million)
FACT: There are 1767 units in the Fountains
FACT: 3 courts (D’Este, Tivoli and Gefion) have decided to not renew their contract with the FCO, and they represent 468 units (26% of total units)
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With just a quick glance, common sense tells us that if 26% of the units choose a different property manager for their courts, then the FCO will lose almost a million dollars a year in revenue.
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Can almost a million dollars be covered by raising dues $6.60 a month?
Let’s go back to the math.
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FACT: 468 units/1767 total units = 26% of units are not renewing at the end of 2020
FACT: 26% of $3,400,000 FCO budget is an $884,000 shortfall
FACT: 1767 – 468 = 1299 remaining units to share in the FCO 2021 budget
So how much revenue will the FCO collect with an additional $80 a year ($6.60 a month)?
1299 remaining units * $80 = $103,920
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Therefore, because the FCO shortfall is $884,000, it is lost revenue of:
$884,000
– 103,990 for additional 6.60 a month
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$780,000 short
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So how can $6.60 a month possibly be correct?
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Yes, the non-renewing courts will still pay their fair share of true common expenses, like security and road maintenance.
But the FCO must collect an extra $780,000 to make up for courts leaving.
How is this possible?
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Has the community been wildly overcharged every year?
Is the FCO furiously burying an additional $780,000 into the budget for roads and security?
Where is the money coming from to balance their budget?
Could it be that massive increases are looming, but the FCO is not leveling with us?
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Anyone can be lulled into an opinion that $6.60 doesn’t sound so bad, but math is the only reality that counts.
Can anyone present facts to dispute the logic?
Math Checker
Math Checker,
First, why do you care? Apparently, the decisions have been made by all courts whether to remain with the FCO or to use a different property manager. Beating a dead horse does nothing constructive. The answers to your questions and conclusions will now be borne out over the course of the next three years.
Second, the hypotheses you use as a starting point for your mathematical calculations may be faulty. I have not redone your calculations because I will accept that they are correct. However, just like your questions and conclusions, your hypotheses will be proven or disproven over the next three years.
Third, I was told that the FCO held a budget meeting Friday, October 1, 2021, to present proposed budgets for the FCO and the courts that will be a part of the FCO for the 2022 budget year. I do not know where the $6.60 increase per unit covered by the FCO comes from, but I am guessing it came from that meeting and the budgets presented. If so, and the math from those budgets are accurately calculated then those are the facts that dispute your logic.
Anyway, I really think it is time for the courts that are leaving the FCO and their owners to concentrate on their situation and costs for the next three years under the new property manager and stop dwelling on the FCO. Whatever the impact on the FCO’s courts will be their issues to live with.
👏👏👏 Kudos Math Checker…
One fact that disputes your logic is that it fails to mention savings to the FCO, i.e. the funds it will no longer spend for the departing courts.
It matters if the $6.60 promise from the FCO is not real.
Decisions have been made by Boards of Directors, based this number.
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The numbers show it is not mathematically possible, given that 26% of the current financial base will not be renewing and a $3.4M FCO budget.
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Can anyone refute the numbers (with other numbers)?
Good stuff thanks to all you guys. Fun friendly and informitive reading.—Bill —-Susan —Math checker. Keep it going.
I was just informed by a very knowledgeable and a very competent Fountains Resident that there is a FCO Board meeting at 3:30 PM today.
Unfortunately instead of the FCO sending out an email blast to inform everyone and automatically send out the zoom link, each Fountains Resident must make a specific FCO request to obtain the Zoom link.
Howard,
I agree that it would be useful for the FCO to send emails to notify its members of meetings, etc.
However, no member has to rely on being informed by a neighbor about FCO Board of Directors meetings. Every concerned member can go to fcocondo.com to get that information.
Just as I expected, Howard, Jerry, and Former Club member are directly responsible for the failure and sale of the FCC to Concert. As members they voted in the FCC Board of Directors and it was members that voted to approve the sale. Who knew?
Gus:
We have been a Social Member since 2004 and the numerous former FCC boards of directors never would allow Social Members to vote.
Could the reason have been that there were more of us than Golf members?
How wrong are you. Like I said before learn the history of the Fountains.
Peace and love.
Gus,
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I think what people on here are trying to get across is the Fountain’s Country Club was an awesome 1st class club back in the day. Unfortunately what has happened over the years, it has deteriorated through mismanagement, and corruption along with the FCO.
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The FCO is a non profit organization , granted nonprofit status solely for the best interest of residents, to save them the most money they can. Check out the documents from 1975 when nonprofit status was granted. Never should the FCO have been in bed with the FCC a for profit making company. The FCO has become entwined with the FCC over the years.
MOST 19 court president’s are members of the Fountains Country Club. President’s looking out, for the FCC. The FCC a (FOR profit) Are Presidents doing it for their own selfish reasons? You decide.
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Presidents looking out for residents of the FCO (NON profit). Presidents that represent NON members of the Country Club are outvoted every step of the way.
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How about letting a profit company fend for themselves? How about leaders of a non profit look out for the residents? It’s obvious if somebody looks back, reads the documents to see how the corruption has evolved. You might want to start with 1975.
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Just saying!!
At Lucerne Lakes, next to the Fountains, it was reported in the Palm Beach Post on Sept 13, 2021 that there was a golf course conversion application to build 450 new homes.
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Today it was reported on social media that the county approved the application.
450 new homes
Corruption abounds! Ben Geller Present President of the FCO. Scott Harris, Bernie Ciincanelli, past presidents of the FCO along with Debbie Poulette executive director 40 plus years. When is this community going to wake up? Realize that they’ve been scammed for all of these years? It seems to me there has been a conspiracy going on.
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The President of the FCO thinks he has the power to send out letters to residents in communities choosing a different path. HAS NO RIGHT!
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Presidents are ELECTED to govern their individual courts. Only they have the power to send or not send information out. Letters sent out by the FCO President is intimidation tactics and misinformation. FCO should face legal consequences for that behavior. I believe that and it is my opinion
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What is amazing is how ignorant the FCO thinks this community is. FCO is sending out budgets, Debbie Poulette executive director and the Executive Committee are negotiating with Concert. Suddenly Costs ARE CUT? Look at the budget, study the financial’s past and present. You will see they have been complicit ON ROBBING this community in favor of the FCC for all of these years.
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I do think people are going to be totally shocked at what the community will look like in the next 3 years. Luxemburg is NOT going to be spared. They will suffer the wrath of every other North Court community. The Country Country Club, Maintenance Barn and every INCH of property they own will be developed.
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Information being spewed from the FCO that wonderful things are around the corner for residents in the North is untrue?
Don’t believe it until you see it. I hope I am a 100% wrong but my gut tells me I’m right . SAD BUT REALITY!
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Sitemonitor:
The place that you cited to ask questions at the FCO Board of Directors meetings can no longer be accessed via Zoom as my request for a Zoom link to an upcoming court and FCO meeting was denied by Debbie Poulette.
It is outrageous and It’s just another example of them defending their secrecy and how they do not see their role as resident support.
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Can you imagine a paid independent property manager, who knows they take direction from their customer (the Board that hired them), saying take a hike on Zoom, we’re just not going to do it?
The FCO is completely out of step with the residents who pay for their service.
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The FCO incompetence is stunning. I recently attended a Zoom meeting with over sixty attendees signed on
Everyone is automatically muted when the meeting starts, so there’s never any background noise.
When it’s time to ask question, a member clicks the “Raise Hand” button.
When the member is called on, the administrator unmutes them.
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Everyone understands the protocol that they are not allowed to unmute themselves.
An orderly dialog takes place and everyone can hear perfectly. Every attendee’s first and last name was properly displayed.
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Unlike the FCO.
Attendees are not pre-muted. I’ve watched Tivoli Court meetings where everyone can see and hear someone blowing their nose, talking on cell phone calls, speaking to others, etc.
But the most ridiculous thing is the FCO only has one microphone.
So either a Zoom participant can’t hear, or Debbie has to run around the Fountains Hall table with the microphone.
Despite numerous requests from presidents to buy more microphones or get a circular table mike, they do not solve this problem.
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Just another indication that they just go thru the motions superficially when it comes to allowing residents in on their discussions.
Then if a resident asks for a copy of the Zoom meeting because they couldn’t attend — no.
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Only for presidents. (another arbitrary, exclusionary rule just made up)
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Then when a president requests a meeting and is sent a link, it’s 50-50 whether the link works.
And now that links are being requested, there’s a new policy —
Once the meeting minutes have been approved, the Zoom recording is deleted.
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Now there will be no more Zoom calls.
Talk about hostile.
WHO IS THE PERSON OR WHO ARE THE PEOPLE WHO DECIDES WHAT GOES INTO OUR BLOG. WHO DECIDES WHAT CAN BE POSTED. IS IT ONLY YOUR WHAY OR THE HIGH WAY. SURE LOOKS LIKE YOU CAN BURY WHAT EVER YOU DISAGREE WITH.
FUNNY STUFF. WHO IS THE genius that hung the minutes of the regular FCO board meeting BY OUR MAIL BOXES GOOD THINKING PUT 5 PAGES ONE ON TOP OF EACH OTHER. HOW CAN ANYONE READ THEM. Like I said funny stuff.
Peter,
I’m not sure what court you live in where they are posting 6 pages of board meeting minutes by your mailboxes? That is totally old school and how it was handled here in the Fountains of Palm Beach before laws were enacted to insure transparency. Residents were never allowed to attend FCO BOD meetings prior to 2011. Don’t quote me on that date because I’m not sure?
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What I am sure about is that ALL board of director meetings, budget meetings, any negotiations concerning anybody’s personal pocketbook MUST by law be open to all residents.
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Board meeting minutes are available on the fountain’s condo.com website. Many residents are unaware that they can view meeting minutes posted 1 month after the meeting.
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What is GREAT is that residents can view via zoom, board of director meetings in real time. Residents no longer have to wait one month after a board meeting to get information.
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FCO Board of directors meetings have always been held the 2nd Wednesday of each month at 3:30 PM. The FCO office will not mass email the zoom link and password. The office states security reasons? Each interested resident MUST email or phone the office for the zoom link and password.
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The next FCO board of directors meeting will be held Wednesday Nov 10, 2021 at 3:30 PM at at fountain’s hall. Anybody out of town or unable to attend for medical reasons may contact the office for the zoom link and password.
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2020 has been a really trying year for many of us dealing with the coronavirus restrictions. We have all experienced the FCO office being closed to residents. There are still residents in this community dealing with coronavirus. 10 day quarantines are still part of some people’s lives. Thank goodness Zoom meetings are always going to be and MUST be available. Anybody interested in being kept aware in real time make sure you contact the office to get the Zoom meeting Link and the Password.
Susan
This is what I received from the FCO after requesting Zoom links for both Tivoli Court and FCO meetings.
From: Angela
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 3:56 PM
To: hxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Tivoli Court and FCO meetings
Hello Howard,
The Nov. 8th Tivoli meeting, as well as the Nov. 10th FCO board meeting are scheduled to be held in Fountains Hall only (no Zoom)
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It seems the FCO would prefer to keep Fountain Residents completely in the dark as to what is going on?
Should Fountains residents who are sick with COVID or the Flu show up and cough and sneeze near FCO Board members?
Don’t bother to wear a mask because in Florida it is not required or mandated.
Peter,
The President of your court is in charge of what goes on the Bulletin Board.
You can ask your President to direct the person who actually posts the minutes (usually it is the court cleaner) to post the pages separately.
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Most court Bulletin Boards are very small and need to be upgraded.
PETER.
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I responded to peter and now to you.
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“PETER”! I have no clue what or who you are talking about? Please explain?
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Are you involved with the blog? Blogs are normally safe havens for people to share information anonymously? Do you have some insider information?
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It’s all good! Keep focused on the PRIZE!. Share information, we’re all in this together. Community, Transparency and Unity is the answer! Let’s all focus on the FCO board of directors meeting on Zoom Wednesday November 10th 3:30 PM.
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Mark your calendars, FCO will not inform you you. Owners and residents have to request that information. Sad but true!
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To the Blog Administrator and fellow residents::
Per the Meeting Notice and Agenda for the upcoming 11/10 FCO meeting, Zoom is NOT an option for residents who cannot physically attend.
Individual Courts are following suit.
Paula
It totally baffles my brain how LEGALLY the FCO thinks they have the right to EXCLUDE residents from a public meeting.
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The FCO is a NON PROFIT organization. To maintain that status they have a legal obligation to the residents.
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I hope between now and Wednesday’s meeting they reconsider their obligations. It’s sad that residents have no representation. There are legal recourses. Let’s hope they choose to do the right thing.
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